Macron and Le Pen clash over Russia, hijabs in fractious debate
The only debate between the two candidates in Sunday’s election comes with incumbent Emmanuel Macron leading challenger Marine Le Pen in polls.
French President Emmanuel Macron tore into his far-right challenger Marine Le Pen about her links with Russia and her plan to ban Muslim women from wearing the hijab in public in a fractious television debate ahead of Sunday’s second and final vote for the presidency.
The only head-to-head confrontation of the second round campaign was peppered with appeals of “don’t interrupt me” and accusations the other was not up to the job of leading France, a veto-holding UN Security Council member and Europe’s second-largest economy.
“Stop mixing everything up,” a combative Macron told Le Pen during one heated exchange about France’s debt, which like others, has risen due to pandemic support measures.
“Don’t lecture me,” responded Le Pen, who avoided the pitfalls of a previous encounter in 2017, when her presidential bid unravelled as she mixed up her notes and lost her footing.
Polls suggest that Macron, a pro-European centrist, has a growing and significant lead over Le Pen. But the result is expected to be closer than five years ago, and both candidates are angling for votes among electors who did not support them in the election’s first round on April 10.
Macron hammered away at his rival over a 9 million euro ($9.8 million) loan that Le Pen’s party received in 2014 from a Czech-Russian bank, saying it made her unsuitable to deal with Moscow.
“You are speaking to your banker when you speak of Russia, that’s the problem,” Macron charged. “You cannot correctly defend France’s interests on this subject because your interests are linked to people close to Russian power.”
“You depend on Russian power and you depend on Mr Putin,” he said.
Macron also said her plan to ban Muslim women in France from wearing headscarves in public would trigger “civil war” in a country that has the largest Muslim population in western Europe.
Le Pen bristled at Macron’s suggestion that she was beholden to Russia. She described herself as “totally free” and said Macron “knows full well that what he says is false”.
She sought to appeal to voters struggling with surging prices amid Russia’s war in Ukraine. She said bringing down the cost of living would be her priority if elected as France’s first woman president and sought to portray herself as the candidate for voters unable to make ends meet.
She said Macron’s presidency had left the country deeply divided. She repeatedly referenced the so-called “yellow vest” protest movement that rocked his government before the COVID-19 pandemic, with months of violent demonstrations against his economic policies.
“France needs to be stitched back together,” she said.
Much haggling went on behind the scenes ahead of the debate, from the temperature of the room to flipping a coin to decide which theme they would start with – the cost of living – to who would speak first – Le Pen.
Usually a powerful orator, Le Pen occasionally struggled for words and fluidity. She also, at times, lacked her characteristic pugnacity. She has sought in this campaign to soften her image and cast off the ‘extremist’ label that critics have long assigned to Le Pen and her party.
Macron appeared particularly self-assured in contrast, bordering at times on arrogance – a trait often highlighted by his critics. He sat with his arms crossed as he listened to Le Pen speak.
With both candidates dismissing the other’s plans as unrealistic but not scoring any obvious knock-out blows, the debate’s impact might be limited.
Just 14 percent of voters were waiting for the debate to decide who to vote for, while 12 percent said it would be decisive for whether they will vote at all, a poll by OpinionWay-Kea Partners for Les Echos newspaper showed.
That said, after more than half of the electorate voted for far-right or hard-left candidates in the first round on April 10, Macron’s lead in opinion polls is much narrower than the last election when he beat Le Pen with 66.1 percent of the vote.
Since then, Le Pen has at least partly succeeded in attracting mainstream voters while Macron is no longer the same outside disruptor that he was in 2017 when the debate cemented his status as the clear frontrunner.