Can you lead a country you don't love?

Van Jones and Rabia Chaudry talk about resilience and advocating for political power in the US.

    In the fifth episode of the podcast Closer Than They Appear, Wallace talks to two people who have had political power or fought for political justice in the American system. Political commentator Van Jones and podcaster, activist, and lawyer Rabia Chaudry talk about love and power - their complicated love for the US, and whether or not they can pursue political power with love.

    Closer Than They Appear is the debut show from Al Jazeera's new podcast studio, Jetty. Over the course of seven episodes, Wallace decides that the best way to move forward is to turn and face the dark moments in American history - and in his own. Along the way, he brings on guests for thoughtful conversations about what it means to be an American, what Americans are fighting for, and what's next for him and for all of us. 

    Catch up by listening to the first episode, featuring Oscar-winning actor Mahershala Ali, who joined Wallace to discuss what it means to be black men in the US, fatherhood in the time of Trump, and maintaining grace in the face of adversity. 

    You can listen to this episode in the player above and then subscribe in Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen. You can also get full episodes on Facebook Watch

    Follow the show on Twitter @closershow.

    SOURCE: Al Jazeera News


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