First al-Bashir, next ... Bush?

Al Jazeera's readers sound off on Mark Levine's opinion article First al-Bashir, next ... Bush?

     
    non-american asian
    Malaysia
    16/07/2008
         
    First al-bahsir, next ... Bush?
         
    Have a poll (excluding Americans) and I'll bet you my last cent that 999 to 1000 will say that Bush is GUILTY of you know what.

    James O. H.
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
    Bush Wet Dream
         
    Removing a brutal dictator and giving millions the opportunity at democracy is a war crime????????? The reason Paul does not see such stories in the western newspapers is that they stick to the facts!!!!!!!!!

    Peter
    Afghanistan
    16/07/2008
         
    War Crimes- George W. Bush
         
    Yes, he is even more guilty than al-Bashir. George W. and Dick Cheney belong in jail as the entire world knows unless you are one of his henchmen profiting from the war.

    Kevin
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
    Bush:Bashir - an accurate analogy?
         
    For your analogy to be accurate, Bush would have to have the same "absolute" control over the militias and the insurgency in Iraq that you say he has over the US miltary. I would like to see evidence to support this claim.

    Piet Miller
    Netherlands
    16/07/2008
         
    Whatever
         
    Interesting blame game, but: Who is going to stop the hidious crimes in Darfur? that's the ONLY question here.

    Nik
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
    I hope so!
         
    They are all crooks here... There was no al-Qaeda base in Rraq... no WMDs... sure, Hussein was a bad guy sure, people of Iraq were oppressed but "liberating Iraq" should have been up to its people, not a foreign nation.

    Nik
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
    Bush vs Hussein
         
    More people have died in Iraq since its "liberation" (illegal war aimed at controlling an oil-rich region) than during Hussein's rule.

    Mahmud
    United Kingdom
    16/07/2008
         
    First al-Bashir, next ... Bush?
         
    The difference is that unlike Omar al-Bashir's militiamen, Bush did not instruct his army to systematically murder civilians.

    Steve
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
    Guilty
         
    Bush may not be in the same league with Hitler and al-Bashir, but he certainly is guilty of war crimes due to his breaking international laws and our own US federal laws.

    Steve
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
    It is not just the rest of the world
         
    I'm an American citizen and I would vote for Bush to be arrested for war crimes.

    Mohamed Alkilani
    Libya
    16/07/2008
         
    Wrong address
         
    If there is one leader who should be brought to justice it must be president George Bush of the USA. Next in line Blair the ex British leader . Their crimes are well documented with video confessions and thousands of witnesses .

    Matthew Scott Brooks
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
    Ignorance
         
    The writer of this article obviously has "zero" understanding of the way the military is utilized in the United States of America! It is words like these that get citizens to mis-understand our country and how it works.

    Matthew Scott Brooks
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
    Ignorance
         
    If we the people want things to be different in our country, then we the people need to educate ourselves more about our leaders and make better decisions when voting...

    John
    France
    16/07/2008
         
     
         
    John K. Hey James O.H. you watch to much "FOX noise" Western news papers are owned by the U.S. government. All you get in what they want you to get. America is going down the tubes. I am an American and was proud of it.I just had to move.

    R DEES
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
    First al-Bashir, next ... Bush?
         
    FIGHTING EVIL IS ALWAYS MESSY OR HAVEN'T YOU CHECKED OUT HISTORY? EVIL PREVAILS WHEN GOOD MEN DO NOTHING-ASK THE CAMBODIANS UNDER POL POT.

    Sam
    United Kingdom
    16/07/2008
         
    War crimes
         
    Bush is a definete criminal along with Blair. They need to be bought to justice for crimes against humanity. But unfortunalty I cant see that happening. They have gone against UN resolutions and commited unbeleivbale suuffering to millions.

    Clyde
    Thailand
    16/07/2008
         
    Bush and US Congress
         
    Are you supporting the criminal charges against the 400+ Congressmen who voted to authorize the financing of the war ? Are they not co-conspirators in your estimation ?

    Nathan
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
     
         
    The human rights situation in Iraq began with Iraqis and the continuing abuses are the acts of Iraqis too. If we'd gone into Sudan, all the liberals would be crying about that too. Don't blame the U.S. for your problems. Allez en France!

    King
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
     
         
    All of you need to re-educate yourself on Iraq war. I see bunch of biased comments. The truth is that President Bush freed Iraq from tyranny of Sadam so they can have a voice and the freedom to choose the future of their country.

    Paul
    United Kingdom
    16/07/2008
         
    Article: First al-Bashir, next ... Bush?
         
    Hi, Great Article and certainly one you will never read in any Western Newspapers. You have got to keep this sort of questioning going...it has to reach the main stream and be taken seriously. You are absolutely right George Bush is 100% guilty of War crimes and must be seen to be punished for it. It is disgusting that he can get away with it as he has and continues too. Good work guys!! Regards, Paul

    Arzaukidin
    Iraq
    16/07/2008
         
    Only for Show
         
    It would seem that Bush has nothing to worry about because neither the USA or Iraq are parties to the ICC Treaty. In the case of al-Bashir it would seem that the ICC charges, or conviction for that matter, is only for show since the ICC has no enforcement capabilities.

    Prabh Bhattal
    Canada
    16/07/2008
         
    Mark Levine accusing Bush of being as responsible as al-Bashir is absurd.
         
    Mark Levine accusing Bush of being same in responsibility of killings to al-Bashir is absurd. Of course i disagree with the president of the United States and his decisions. But Bashir was responsible for genocide...while Bush although was stupid...cannot be in the same boat. It's like comparing Bush to Hitler...Bush's actions killed millions but he didn't order the killing of people..he ordered the war..wheras Bashir and Hitler ordered genocides. Bush is stupid but he is no al-Bashir.

    Niloufar
    Iran
    16/07/2008
         
    war criminals
         
    Bashir, Bush, Bin Laden, Blair, Brown are all butchers that should be tried for war crimes. Excellent article Mark!

    Nicholas
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
    Bush and al-Bashir
         
    While I agree with Prabh about the accusation that Bush and al-Bashir are not comparable in their atrocities, particularly since Bush operates within a large framework of power hungry (read petrol) militarily impulsive and interventionist neoliberals whereas al-Bashir is merely a legitimatized warlord, Professor Levine's article does well to shake up our condemnation of all atrocities but our own. Thank you for sharing your convictions Mark!

    Grant
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
     
         
    "It was clear to most Iraqis that the chaos being reaped by the US in their country was in fact deliberately sown by the US in order to create a situation that would make any US withdrawal almost impossible to pull off." How about ANY facts to back up your ridiculous rhetoric?? I am glad my kids don't attend your University if this kind of thoughtlss diatribe passes for education there.

    Steve
    Canada
    16/07/2008
         
    Bush / Al Bashir War Crimes
         
    I would encourage my Canadian government to arrest both George W. Bush and Omar Al-Bashir, the war criminals, if either were to visit Canada. Are you reading this Prime Minister Stephen Harper?

    FreeMind
    Australia
    16/07/2008
         
    Article: First al-Bashir, next ... Bush?
         
    Paul you are correct, this needs to be taken very seriously, the people of the world REALLY need to push for this to happen to Bush, it goes a lot further then most would think. This is from the inside.

    William Florez
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
    First al-Bashir, next ...Bush?
         
    The article is 100% correct, but here in the USA we can not speak nothing about Bush, he links support our troops is like support him too. After all we control the world.

    Bryan
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
    Gaaad! Al Jazeera at it again...
         
    Bush did not unilaterally declare war in Iraq. He did so with the broad approval of Congress the "peoples" body. A fact convienently overlooked in this story. At the same time, most of the world, including France, silently supported the decision.

    Wayne
    Singapore
    16/07/2008
         
    How many other leaders ???
         
    how many other leaders through out the world can also be indicted accroding to the authors chain of thought ??? Arab leaders who support suicidal bombers, African leaders who support Zimbabwe, Asian leaders who will not denounce Burma, European leaders who sell arms or do business with countries with very poor human rights.

    B. Scott
    Canada
    16/07/2008
         
    Rationalizations be damned
         
    Bush is the commander in chief, he signed the order to start a preemptive war, the number of men, women and children is mass murder sadly he won't personally be held to account, but is already on record as one of the world's alltime butchers, that's how history will regard him.

    J Richards
    United Kingdom
    16/07/2008
         
    First al-Bashir, next ... Bush?
         
    The War Crimes division of the Counter Terrorism branch, Scotland Yard are investigating allegations of 14 criminal offences committed by Tony Blair, Lord Goldsmith and others under the International Criminal Court Act 2001, which came into effect under English common law, just 2 days before 9/11.

    Paul M
    Ukraine
    16/07/2008
         
    Bush as war criminal
         
    James and Prabh seem to be lost in the semantics regarding the dialogue on war crimes. A reasonable person deliberating the present set of facts against the judgment criterion could come to no other conclusion except to indict Bush as a war criminal - the same as Pol Pot, as al-Bashir or any other such person. The fact that Bush has so far escaped punishment only suggests the UN and ICC are weak institutions with little consensus among member states. Might makes right, so Bush stays free.

    Matthew Brooks
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
    Ignorance
         
    We the people voted for those who represent us and make decisions for us, so ultimately we the people are responsible for our military actions. So if you want to point a finger, look in the mirror!

    Matthew Scott Brooks
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
    Ignorance
         
    If you don't vote then you've got nothing to complain about. Get your lazy duff up off that couch and go vote for what you want! I am sad when I read this garbage. I am sad for all our people who follow these ignorant words!

    Kelly Sakahilu
    Zambia
    16/07/2008
         
    Bush Trial by the ICC
         
    I 100% support the move to have the current USA president to be tried by the ICCwhen his term of office comes to an end for the human rights disaster in Iraq.

    Dave
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
    First al-Bashir, next ... Bush?
         
    I agree with this article. I'm an American and I proudly speak out against the perpetrator of one of our nations darkest moments. This "free country" I live in has become corrupt and detached of all that it once was. It's true that mainstream media will not cover this but there are plenty of small press and independent sources that will likely pick up on this if it's pushed. I hope once Obama is in office we won't have discussions like this.

    Chris
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
    Bush=War Criminal
         
    Not only is Bush a war criminal, he is not much elevated above a common criminal. When he took office the USA had a one trillion dollar surplus, now it is seven trillion in debt and the economy is on the verge of total collapse. How many tens of thousands of people does one have to kill before war crimes charges are levied? Perhaps he will pardon himself before leaving office.

    joseph
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
     
         
    the world court is a joke if they really want any credibility, George Bush " the war criminal " should be brought to justice first, and then Bashir

    fujimon
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
    Let the Iraqis decide
         
    Mark....you can draw parallels from the indictment but I ultimately think the Iraqi people need to be given the gavel on this one. They have endured the hardship and will find sunlight or darkness in the new era. Step off the soapbox and give the microphone to the Iraqi people on this one.

    Reza Khan
    Morocco
    16/07/2008
         
    Ineresting comparison.
         
    This is all happening as we all play with words like: democracy, peace, allies and so on. Bashir probably does not use them. "We will defend our allies in the region", just few short years ago Iraq was a US ally in war against Iran. WOW.

    Fladnag
    Afghanistan
    16/07/2008
         
     
         
    The American people never elected Bush. Two elections have been stolen expect a third later this year.

    T.Foster
    Great Britain (UK)
    16/07/2008
         
    Arrest Bush?
         
    Thank you Mr.Levine for an excellent article.Ron Paul,the former candidate for the presidency,has been saying much the same thing for a long,long time.Bush and many others have acted unconstitutionally,broken the US laws and should have been arraigned long ago. Bush,Blair,Merkel,the whole bangshoot should be arrested and tried for their crimes.It is truly time that the people took their own destinies into their own hands and make their own decisions.PEOPLE not SHEEPLE!

    Joe
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
    A Little Off
         
    Trying to compare President Bush's war practices and Bashir's is a little off target. Don't get me wrong, there were definitely flaws in Bush's actions, but he is not an absolute power by any means. On the other hand Bashir is the absolute power in his country and he rules by force. I understand your argument, but feel the causal connection you are making can not be supported.

    Jake Church
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
    I disagree
         
    While an intersting opinion, I think that you assume that the American people are powerless. In reality, if the actions we were and are making are truely detested by 99.9% of the population, then our congress and senate would not be divided, and would have demanded a couple years ago that we desist the conflict. That is not the case.

    Arthur Kettner
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
    America accountability
         
    Bush is out of control as much of the american political system is. The more voices that speak up the more chance we will be able to hold Bush and his cronies responsible for the illegal and aggressive action they have taken. Get a ground swell going and tell your leaders to hold the Bush regime accountable.

    wjd138
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
    First al-Bashir, next Bush?
         
    I think the American citizens have forgotten that they backed the president when he decided to wage war! This being the "USA" under a government made by the people, for the people, cannot make such decisions without the majority. Maybe the "Americans" should blame themselves for their anger and misjudgment instead of pointing the finger towards one person (President Bush)!

    Nathan
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
    ICC
         
    Wow, what an objective and informative article! Seriously...you're a professor? Obviously you're not a U.S. Constitutional historian or scholar, because in referring to the "constitutionally[sic]-appointed Congress" you apparently forget that the President is also "Constitutionally-appointed" as the "commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States."

    Sean
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
    Another sad analogy
         
    Bush is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths? How many did Saddam perpetrate? Give credit where credit is due. These insurgents are smart. They know how to make their deaths look like civilian deaths. How many citizens would be saved if insurgents stopped using residential areas as hideouts? I am not blind to the mistakes Bush has made, but I am not ready to compare him to al-Bashir. To do that is to align yourself with and act as an extremist.

    USA citizen
    United States
    16/07/2008
         
    Bush is a Criminal
         
    Bush a war criminal? Yes, of course it is obvious. I am ashamed that a country as great and free as the USA has allowed evil people like Bush to take over our system and our country

    SOURCE: Al Jazeera


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